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To tell ya the truth Im a little bored with recent postings, and need a little heated debate, and maybe a flame or 2
So Bring it on!!!!
Although current situation has AMD looking, somewhat Bleek, AMD I feel will kick the CRAP outa INTEL by years end, it will be a decisive blow unforseen by INTEL.
It will be another onslaught similar to the one brought on with the release of the original Athlon. Interesting times are a coming!
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I personally think that no matter which company has the architectural or process advantages, an no matter how much of a performance gap they could open over the competitor's top chip, I think that due to monetary reasons their top chips will stay reasonable close for a while to come.
The biggest gap I can remember lately was probably the Tbird vs. PIII when the PIII was stuck at 1.0GHz, and on a related note the Tbird vs. the P4 when the P4 was first launched (and often wasn't beating the PIII's of the time).
Even after the launch of the Hammer, I don't expect the performance gap to ever be more than about 20% (not a small gap I admit). Intel will close that with .09u and integrated memory core... maybe even overcome the gap, then AMD responds with a late process change, then Intel responds, etc.
For the next two years, they will be very competitive. However, I think Intel will hold the edge through the end of this year, and AMD will hold the edge next year.
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Well to tell ya the truth,my athlon 600 slotA was truly a birth to heated debates for me ...I was completely astonished w/ how bad it woopee the crap out of the pentium,but that his history....
I had such a hard time finding a mobo,I never though a mobo manufacturer was ever going to strap on the balls to let us experience a decent chipset/mobo experience..
Ofcorse ,I think if INTEL is going to rely on Intanic then it all lost for them, they may aswell throw in the towel.
But if they deside to go X86-64 then they will be LATE!! TOO-LATE!!!!
Either way 64 bittness is coming. And for me a reseller, the consomer will eat 64bit up like candy. It will be big news for the non knowing. You gotta think about it in terms of the consumer.
AMD 64 bit Cpu
M$ XP-64
64 bit will be such a big thing ,that Mhz may not matter much. One consumer tells another "its 64 bit, its twice as fast as 32bit" and so on and so on, the Comp usa guy, "well sir ,yes 64 bit it twice as fast, and 3 times as fast on sundays"....... The tales the un-knowing will tell will be phenominal!
64bit will be the next Huge thing, and AMD will bring it ,and get recognition for bringing it and cash in on bringing it.
Infact this is the Best move AMD has ever done, this will break them through the wall that they are hitting currently.
I just can't wait to see how AMD's cheerleaders are going to react to Hammer's prices if they turn out to be as high as many are speculating that they will be...
Hammer will be introduced at a rating of 3400+ this year, this means that Intel has to come up with a 3.4Ghz Northwood or (what will most likely happen) a 3Ghz Northwood on a 533Mhz fsb to compete. This they can easily do IMO.
Itanium2 wont perform badly, Intel have planned this since they first started developing I1. They never intended I1 to be a high performer (and said this many times) so I really cant understand why people believe I2 will also perform poorly.
But the lack of clock speed on I2 means that I2 will reside in the server segment only, it would be against Intels "Mhz=Performance"
marketing to put it into desktop machines.
64bit will be a huge thing for marketing, and a small advancement for performance. Intel can easily add 64bit extensions to the P4, one article estimated an increase of 2% core size. The behind the scenes team have been designing an x86-64 P4 since last year and have all of this year as well, so it wont be rushed either.
I agree with o.l.i. Intel will probably be faster throughout this year but Hammer (IF they get it out on time) will keep its nose in front next year.
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Yeah, agreed. Hammer would actaully have to be released ON TIME to win the performance crown back.
If it is on time, AND AMD really samples .09 micron SoI version in December, then I'd say they are really on to something, and pick up their stock because they're in for a whole bunch more of Intel's marketshare.
But I'll have to see it to believe it, and of course, I don't think I'm going to be running out and buying one, even if the 3400+ is 20% faster than the 3 GHz P4. I think it will cost quite a bit if this is the case (I'm not ranking on AMD, Intel currently has a 4% performance lead and a 120% price lead on AMD, and i'm incredibly confident that whatever AMD put's out will be sold or FAR less than Intel would in it's place). Still, if the K8 has a performance advantage worth writing home about, I expect AMD to actually try to capitalize on that, which means $400-700 price tags, probably.
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You mean, AMD's top chip might cost the same as Intel's top chip, but offer a significant performance advantage?
Yeah, I think I know how I would feel about that!
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But the lack of clock speed on I2 means that I2 will reside in the server segment only, it would be against Intels "Mhz=Performance"
marketing to put it into desktop machines.
64bit will be a huge thing for marketing, and a small advancement for performance. Intel can easily add 64bit extensions to the P4, one article estimated an increase of 2% core size. The behind the scenes team have been designing an x86-64 P4 since last year and have all of this year as well, so it wont be rushed either.
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Lol,
that article stating a 2% difference was actually pretty poor and misleading, so I would take any speculation it brought along with it with a very large pinch of salt. I'm no expert in chip design, but even I could spot some rather glaring errors in both technical assumptions and performance statements.
As for McKinley, I don't expect it will go anywhere. It has no software, so what earthly use is the extra performance??? Combined with which is the fact that it will be competing with the EV7, which does have software and will almost certainly outperform it. I don't see why Intel doesn't switch to using the Alphas for its 64-bit processing - hasn't there already been a copy of NT for Alpha CPU's (?), which would rather imply that Microsoft could produce an upgraded version of it without a total rewrite. Of course, Intel won't do that because that would require them to admit that IA-64 was a bad idea.....
Fallguy
P.S. Actually, I like the idea of IA-64. I just think it has been poorly implemented.
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Originally posted by jankerson: I really don't think it will matter that much anyway for those who get the top of the line CPU's anyway.
It will only stop the budget minded people.
You mean that it won't matter much to you. An opteron could fall out of the sky wrapped in gold and it wouldn't matter to you.
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